Hiatus for kiwianglo

My wife, Diana, and I will be travelling to Rome and Assisi tomorrow, 3 June 2013, for a few days of Franciscan relaxation. We will be in Europe and (mostly) England for a total of two months – for a time of rest and refreshment with Family and Friends.

My posts will therefore, of necessity, be few and far between – until our return to New Zealand at the end of July. However, while in England, we shall be near to the Church of England’s General Synod discussion on the vexed subject of the Ordination of Women Bishops - which we both hope will issue in a non-trammelled piece of legislation that will permit a woman to be a diocesan bishop with full authority in her diocese.

I may, from time to time – computers being available to me – do the odd posting, and would not like to lose your readership.

Yours, en Christo, Father Ron

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UK ‘Reform’ Not Happy with H.o.B. Proposal on Women Bishops

Bleak outlook, says opponent

Madeleine Davies

by Madeleine Davies Posted: 31 May 2013 @ 11:12 - ‘Church Times’

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Opposing view: two women at St John’s Theological College, Nottingham, have produced a badge expressing support for women bishops; it costs £2.50 from www.stjohns-nottm.ac.uk

WHILE it might be “difficult for anyone to claim outright victory”, the way forward to women bishops mapped out by the House of Bishops, looked like “outright defeat”, the chairman of Reform, the conservative Evangelical network, Prebendary Rod Thomas, said on Tuesday.

“We had asked for a clear legislative basis for us to be able to flourish in the Church, and that has been denied us,” said Prebendary Thomas. “We had asked for greater security and assurance about our futures, but we are being given much less than we currently have. We had asked for a way round the knotty problem of bishops’ delegating authority, and instead we are now going to be required to make an oath of canonical obedience of the sort that, if you believe in male headship, for many will be impossible.”

Prebendary Thomas said that he recognised “some benefits” in the option set out by the House of Bishops, including “recognition of the need a for national system and a proper means for adjudicating disputes”. But he argued that “by starting the ball rolling with option one [of the four put forward by the working group] it is going to be very difficult indeed to build in the caveats that might be needed to enable us to take a vow of canonical obedience, and difficult to create a legislative basis for greater assurance. So we think the outlook under these proposals is really rather bleak.”

He suggested that repealing the statutory rights to pass Resolutions A and B under the 1993 Measure would leave PCCs “vulnerable under the Equality Act to accusations of discrimination”. He also expressed concern that provisions that were not based in law for those who could not accept women bishops could be “changed during any meeting of General Synod in the future by a majority vote”.

When asked about the Bishops‘ appeal to trust, Prebendary Thomas said: “I very much warm to that sentiment, but for it to convey a real sense of assurance, it needs to be based on some minimal legislative entitlement; otherwise, however much we believe the House of Bishops in its current intentions, in ten years’ time, with a different House of Bishops, there will be nothing to stop those current intentions being changed.”

He said that Reform was “nonplussed, really, as to why we seem to be going down the same route that came to such a sticky end last November. We don’t seem to be making progress, and that is a very worrying situation to be in.”

Proper Provision, a group of conservative Evangelical women who cannot accept women bishops, issued a statement describing the proposal set out by the House of Bishops as “a disaster . . . but we must pray that people recognise the clarity of the decision the Church is making – we may be saying ‘yes’ to women bishops, but we are also saying ‘no’ to those who hold the dissenting view.”

On Wednesday, Martin Dales, a spokesman for the Catholic Group, said that he wished to “reflect with members of the Group and others before expressing a view”.

“We are studying the House of Bishops’ report, and will publish our reflections upon it in due course,” said the Director of Forward in Faith, Dr Colin Podmore, on Wednesday.

On Tuesday, the vice-chair of WATCH, the Revd Charles Read, a member of the General Synod, welcomed the report’s “generally positive tone . . . in affirming the ministry of ordained women in the Church of England“. WATCH was “pleased to see the House of Bishops promoting a simple piece of legislation which will enable the Church of England to move forward in receiving the gift of women in the episcopate”.

The group would comment in more detail after discussing the report. He added: “Meanwhile we hope that this report will help the General Synod to see women bishops as a gift to be received from God rather than as a problem to be solved by human beings.”

The Revd Rosemary Lain-Priestley, who chairs the National Association of Diocesan Advisers in Women’s Ministry, said on Tuesday: “The vision set out by the House of Bishops is unequivocal about women bishops and unequivocal about ongoing provision for those who dissent. It is now vital that we repair the deficit of trust between those of differing convictions, and move forward together.”

The Revd Jody Stowell of the Yes2WomenBishops campaign, said on Tuesday: “The House of Bishops have made a common-sense proposal and we hope Synod will make a common-sense response by accepting the Bishops’ recommendation.”

The report had “sensibly, in our opinion, stated its hope for the legislation to be as simple as possible. We are also pleased that this endorses the view that gracious provision for those who cannot accept women bishops should not take the form of discrimination against women bishops.”

She recognised that there could be problems for those who could not accept women bishops, and suggested “the only way forward is to further develop our friendships across these divides.”

The report of the working group envisages final approval of new women-bishops legislation as taking place either in July or November 2015, the latter with a freshly elected General Synod.

On Monday, Adrian Vincent, a member of the Synod for Guildford diocese, who voted against the Measure in November, suggested that the House of Bishops “must know that option one will be unacceptable to traditionalists. . . The calculation may be that legislation that failed in 2012 because of insufficient provision for traditionalists can pass in 2015, with even less provision for traditionalists, because it is hoped that the 2015 Synod elections will result in fewer traditionalists’, or their sympathisers’, being elected.”

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The Church of England movement, ‘Reform’, which, paradoxically, seems to augur quite the opposite – in terms of enlightenment on the ministry of Women in the Church if England – seems disappointed with what the House of Bishops has proposed as the ‘way forward’ for the Ordination of Women as Bishops in the C.of E.

This initiative having been stymied by the uncertainties connected with the provision – or lack of it – for dissentients with the Church of England on this issue at the last General Synod; the House of Bishops has taken the trouble to ensure, this time around, that there will be no guarantee of Provisional Episcopal Oversight being provided in legislation for the minority in the Church of England who cannot accept the episcopal ministry of a woman.

This means that, for clergy at least, they will be expected to accept the ministry of the local ordinary (diocesan bishop) – whether male or female – and will be required to make their customary vow of canonical obedience to the diocesan bishop.

This provision seeks to maintain the integrity of the ministry of local diocesan bishops – both male and female – throughout the Church of England – a situation more satisfactory than that obtaining at the present time; where clergy and people who do not agree with women’s ordination can seek alternative episcopal oversight – thus avoiding the ministry of the local Ordinary, if that bishop (even a male bishop) agrees with, or in any way facilitates, the clerical ministry of women .

I pray that the House of Bishops’ intended legislation wins the necessary approval of the July General Synod meetings, leaving the way clear for Women to take their rightful place in the ministry of the Church of England – in common with other Provinces of the Anglican Communion. 

As my wife, Diana, and I will be in the U.K. (during the course of a two-months sabbatical from N.Z.) at the time of the July General Synod meetings in York, I shall be watching and listening with great interest to see how the legislation progresses.

Father Ron Smith, Christchurch, New Zealand

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Bishop of Salisbury writes to Lord Alli on ‘Same-Sex Marriage’

Diocese of Salisbury press release: Bishop restates gay marriage is an endorsement of the institution of marriage and “a matter of justice” which begins thus:

The Bishop of Salisbury writes today that “The possibility of ‘gay marriage’ does not detract from heterosexual marriage unless we think that homosexuality is a choice rather than the given identity of a minority of people. Indeed the development of marriage for same sex couples is a very strong endorsement of the institution of marriage.”

In a letter delivered to Lord Alli at the House of Lords, Bishop Holtam believes that civil partnerships have been a natural precursor of gay marriage being recognised in law: “Open recognition and public support have increased in civil partnerships those very qualities of life for which marriage itself is so highly celebrated. It is not surprising this now needs recognition in law.”

Replying to a letter from Lord Alli of Norbury who requested that Bishop Holtam clarify his position on the issue as a member of the House of Bishops for members of the Upper House, Bishop Holtam stresses that this issue is about justice: “In the current debates it is striking that within the Anglican Communion one of the strongest supporters of same sex marriage is Archbishop Desmond Tutu. From his experience of the racism of Apartheid he sees same sex marriage as primarily a matter of justice.”

Bishop Holtam states: “there are a variety of views within the Church of England where we are experiencing rapid change similar to that in the wider society. This is complex to express, partly because there are those who see this issue as fundamental to the structure of Christian faith.”

In his letter the Bishop of Salisbury also observes that the church has adapted its approach to marriage in light of social change including the widespread availability of contraceptives so that couples may choose to have children; the acceptance of divorce and possibility of marriage in church after divorce so that not all marriages are lifelong, and the acceptance of couples living together before marriage by a Church that still teaches sexual relationships are properly confined to marriage…

The full text of the letter from the Bishop of Salisbury to Lord Alli is available below the fold. It is also on the Diocese of Salisbury website (link in press release), and on the Daily Telegraph website.

Press reports:

Telegraph Edward Malnick Opponents of gay marriage like supporters of apartheid, says senior bishop

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How thoroughly refreshing that Bishop Nick Holtham has responded to Lord Ali’s request: that he clearly enunciate his position on the purposes of Marriage – as related to the current Bill on Same-Sex Marriage about to be debated in the House of Lords – after its passage through the U.K. House of Commons.

One wonders, in the wake of this brave statement,  just how many more of the Church of England’s Bishops will be disposed to question the Church’s stance on Same-Sex Marriage, and indeed on the desirability, or not, of encouraging monogamous relationships among Gay people, and whether Bishop Holtham will be side-lined in the House of Bishops for his forthright defence of the provisions being made by the Bill?

Father Ron Smith, Christchurch, New Zealand

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The Forum – John Curtice – Glasgow Episcopal

The Forum – John Curtice

Link to What’s in Kelvin’s Head

Posted: 27 May 2013 07:56 AM PDT

We were very lucky yesterday to have a special forum meeting at St Mary’s with John Curtice.

Prof John Curtice is a member of St Mary’s and the Professor of Politics at Strathclyde University. He is a public opinion guru – constantly analysing figures, opinion polls and election results. In his forum presentation yesterday he reviewed changing attitudes to same-sex marriage and then took questions from the folk who were there.

Introduced by Pam Richmond of St Mary’s Justice and Aid Network, the forum is available in two videos – the first being the presentation and the second a question and answer session.

There were lots of interesting things which came out of the session. It was noted for example that the Roman Catholic community in Scotland seems to be particularly accepting of same-sex marriage proposals. Also that those who go to church more often are more likely to be less accepting. Along the way we learned about what John called a phenomenal cultural revolution – a change in public attitudes which is striking, recent and unlike almost anything else which is tracked.

For those who subscribe by email, the videos can be seen on the Cathedral website.

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For anyone seeking a definitive view on the progress of public opinion on Same-Sex Relationship and S/S Marriage, here we have – provided by Provost Kelvin Holdsworth, of Saint Mary’s Episcopal Cathedral, Glasgow – two excellent videos hosted by a member of the congregation, Professor John Curtice, lecturer in Politics at Strathclyde University in Scotland.

While the sound quality is less than perfect, the videos are still worth watching and listening to – if only for the fact that John Curtice does not affect to present his own opinion – one way or the other – on this subject of extreme interest, not only to the Scottish Episcopal Church but also to the Churches of England and Wales, as they seek to understand the perceptible change of opinion among the general public on these issues.

Father Ron Smith, Christchurch, New Zealand

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House of Lords to Debate Same-Sex Marriage bill

Peers plot gay marriage revolt

Lords from all main political parties will unite next week in a last-ditch attempt to block the Government’s introduction of gay marriage.

The House of Lords will debate the same sex marriage bill next week.

The House of Lords will debate the same sex marriage bill next week. Photo: ALAMY

By Robert Wats  9:11PM BST 25 May 2013

Peers expect the Upper’s House debate over same sex weddings will go through the night or even into a second day, with a key vote that could scupper the policy regarded as “too close to call”.

The former head of the British army Lord Dannatt and Lord Lothian, a former Conservative Party chairman better known as Michael Ancram, are amongst those set to criticise the draft legislation in next Monday’s session.

Other opponents will include Lord Waddington, a former Home Secretary, Lord Luce, who served as a minister in Baroness Thatcher’s government, and Lord Singh of Wimbledon, a respected figure in the Sikh community.

The Sunday Telegraph has also established that the senior Tory Baroness Warsi, a practising Muslim, refused to lead the bill through the House of Lords when asked to do so by David Cameron, the Prime Minister.

Some peers believe dozens Lords who rarely attend Parliament will flock to Westminster to make their position on homosexual marriage clear.

Government whips are fighting calls to allow the Lords to hold a second day of debate on what has become the one of the most emotive issue in parliament for many years.

Some critics of same sex marriage legislation believe the policy undermines the institution of marriage while others simply regard it as a “distraction” from the country’s economic problems.

Mr Cameron has championed homosexual weddings and Tory strategists hope it will entice new voters to the party at the next general election.

However, gay marriage so far appears only to have played havoc with the Conservative party’s grassroots, sparking resignations of members and fierce criticism of the Prime Minister.

Lord Luce said: “You can’t suddenly pounce on the 2,000 year-old institution of marriage after such little consultation and with such little thought.

“This is all part of the Prime Minister’s ‘modernisation’ of our party, whatever that word is supposed to mean. This is all being handled in a very slap happy, careless manner.”

This weekend there is speculation in Westminster that the Most Rev Justin Welby, the recently appointed Archbishop of Canterbury, will also voice his concerns about the policy in next week’s debate. One of his predecessors, Lord Carey of Clifton, has already put his name down to speak.

Lord Dear, the retired chief constable of West Midlands Police and crossbench peer leading opposition to the Bill, said that critics of the policy were not “anti-homosexual”.

“This is ill-thought through legislation that is being rushed through,” the peer said. “There are some 8,000 further amendments that will be necessary to existing legislation because of this single policy.

“Of those who said they would speak about half seem to be opposed. I really think the vote will be too close to call.”

If the Government loses the Bill, ministers could use the Parliament Act to drive the policy through. However, Lord Dear thinks this is unlikely.

He added: “The Parliament Act has been used only three times before. Opposition in the Commons in the Commons was strong and there is not strong appetite amongst the public for this.”

Lord Stoddart, an independent Labour peer, described the whole concept of gay marriage as “bogus”. He said he was baffled as to how gay people and lesbians would “consummate” their marriage.

“Without consummation the marriage could be annulled at any point,” the peer said. “No one has been able to explain to me how homosexuals or lesbians would be able to actually consummate their marriage.

“People who voice concerns about this policy are told that we are bigots. I honestly think the bigots are on the other side of the argument. Many homosexual people do not want this.”

Those peers who will vote with the Government include Lord Browne, the former BP chief executive and friend of Lord Mandelson, and Lord Deben, the former Conservative minister better known as John Gummer.

Lord Hodgson, a Conservative peer who expects to back the bill, said that the policy was “clearly a very divisive issue”.

He said: “I have children in their twenties who wonder what all the fuss is about and friends in their sixties who think this is the end of the world.

“The number of people who have put down to speak is quite staggering. We could go through the night on this… it looks very close.”

Nick Herbert, the Conservative MP who has campaigned for same sex marriage, said: “The Lords always has an important scrutiny role but they can’t ignore the fact that this BIll passed the elected House with a two to one cross-party majority.

“The Bill was debated for hours in Commons committee and every independent poll shows majority public support for the measure.

“Equal marriage is being introduced across the western world and I don’t believe peers will want to be out of step with changing attitudes.”

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And what is likely to be the official Church of England view of the Bill – due to be debated in in the House of lords on Monday, 3rd June? From the extract below, we can expect both the current Archbishop of Canterbury, and Lord Carey (former ABC) to do their level best to sink rthe legislation – which has survived the House of Commons readings:

“This weekend there is speculation in Westminster that the Most Rev Justin Welby, the recently appointed Archbishop of Canterbury, will also voice his concerns about the policy in next week’s debate. One of his predecessors, Lord Carey of Clifton, has already put his name down to speak.”

Having in mind the structured opposition of former Archbishop George Carey to any change in attitudes towards Gay people in the Church, his continuing relentless campaign against any legislation towards the emancipation of LGBT people is only the be expected. However, the new ABC may have his work cut out to prevent the Bill from going through. It will be interesting to see what influence the Church of England Bishops in the Lords will have on the outcome of the Lord debate.

Father Ron Smith, Christchurch, New Zealand

 

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Latest Proposals on Women Bishops in Church of England

New proposals to enable women to become bishops

Posted On : May 24, 2013 4:19 PM | Posted By : Admin ACO

The Church of England has published, today, new legislative proposals to enable women to become bishops which will be debated by the General Synod in July.

This will be the first occasion that Synod members have met since November 2012, when the previous legislation narrowly failed to secure the requisite majority in all three Houses, despite a 73% majority overall.

The proposals from the House of Bishops accompany the publication of a report of a Working Group which it had established in December. The Working Group’s report sets out four possible options for the shape of the new legislation. Of these the House of Bishops has recommended “the simplest possible legislation” (option one) which reads:

“A measure and amending canon that made it lawful for women to become bishops; and The repeal of the statutory rights to pass Resolutions A and B under the 1993 Measure, plus the rescinding of the Episcopal Ministry Act of Synod.”

In addition, option one involves arrangements for those who, as a matter of theological conviction, are unable to receive the ministry of women bishops or priests being set out either in a declaration from the House of Bishops or in a new Act of Synod.

The short report from the Archbishops on behalf of the House sets out the text of a motion which invites the Synod to reaffirm its commitment to admitting women to the episcopate as a matter of urgency, require the legislative process to begin in November so that it can be concluded in 2015 and specify that the legislation should be in the simplest possible form.

The Business Committee of the General Synod met earlier this week and has scheduled the debate for the morning of Monday, 8 July in York. In addition, Synod members will spend a substantial amount of time in York on the Saturday in facilitated conversations, in which the various options can be explored further.

The Chair of the Working Group, the Rt Revd Nigel Stock, Bishop of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich, said on behalf of the Group:

“The mandate given to the Working Group in December reflected the House of Bishops’ view that new proposals would need both greater simplicity and a clear embodiment of the principle articulated by the 1998 Lambeth Conference that ‘those who dissent from, as well as those who assent to, the ordination of women to the priesthood and episcopate are both loyal Anglicans’.

“This mandate did not simply reflect the House of Bishops’ assessment of what was achievable, it also reflected its view of what was desirable – namely that the Church of England should retain its defining characteristic of being a broad Church, capable of accommodating a wide range of theological conviction.”

Bishop Nigel continued: “Given this range of views it is essential to be clear on whether the Church of England is still willing to leave space for those who dissent from its decision. We have approached our task on the basis that the Church of England is so willing.

“To expect unanimity on where the limits of diversity should be drawn may be unrealistic, given the variety of strongly held views which exist and are maintained with integrity. Nevertheless it is necessary to see whether there might be an approach which could command a sufficiently wide measure of assent to enable progress to be made.

“We are perhaps at a moment when the only way forward is one which makes it difficult for anyone to claim outright victory.”

Concluding his statement, Bishop Nigel said: “The Synod, guided by the recommendation that the House of Bishops has now made, needs in July to come to a clear decision about the proposals and options laid before it and give a mandate for the introduction of a draft measure and amending canon in November.

“That decision-making process will be greatly assisted by all Synod members having first the opportunity in York for facilitated listening and engagement of the kind that the group has found so helpful in producing this report. To that end, we are grateful to the Business Committee for making space for this to take place on the Saturday of our July meeting.”

Notes to Editors:

From the above announcement, it seems that the Chair of the Committee, Bishop Nigel Stock, is hoping that the proposed new – ‘stream-lined’ – legislation that would allow women to become bishops in the Church of England would still provide – for those who do not believe women could become bishops – to be contained within the Church. Here is the evidence of that in the following statement:

‘Bishop Nigel continued: “Given this range of views it is essential to be clear on whether the Church of England is still willing to leave space for those who dissent from its decision. We have approached our task on the basis that the Church of England is so willing.” ‘

So, even before the matter goes to General Synod in July, the expectation of those who have explored the options in committee is that the Church of England will continue to provide ‘Provisional Episcopal Oversight’ from PEVs (Provisional Episcopal Visitors), chosen from among bishops of the Church who also do not believe that women can be bishops in that Church.

One wonders what sort of Church Order this will continue to perpetuate in the Church of England, and what  sort of ‘catholicity’, in terms of episcopal collegiality, will become entrenched within the ethos of the Mother Church of world-wide Anglicanism.

One had thought that any Anglican who could not see their way clear to accepting the ministry of women – whether as clergy or bishops – could have taken advantage of moving to another part of the Church that agrees with their understanding of Holy Orders. The Roman Catholic Church has already provided dissident Anglicans with a ‘safety mechanism’ for their delicate consciences on this matter, in the raising up of their ‘Ordinariate’ – where women’s ministry is not acceptable, and yet the members may still claim to have something of the Anglican Provenance – but subject to the rule of Rome .

We all might agree with the need to provide a breadth of theology in the Anglican Church,  but does that need to accommodate legislated discrimination against ministerial vocations among 50% of the members on account of their gender difference?

 

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The ABC Addresses the recent Act of Terrorism in the U.K.

Archbishop of Canterbury’s statement on the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby

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The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, said today that “all our prayers and mine” are with the family of Lee Rigby, the British soldier killed in Woolwich on Wednesday. In a joint press conference in Leicester with Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, the Archbishop praised the responses of different faith groups to the incident and said this is “very much a time for communities to come together”.

 

The Archbishop made the statement during a visit to Leicester where he was meeting with Christian and other faith leaders.

 

Full transcript of the Archbishop’s statement, and video link below:

 

“We have all been horrified by the brutal murder of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich. All of our prayers and mine are with Lee’s family, with his colleagues and comrades, and all those who witnessed this crime and all those in the community who have been so affected by it.

 

It’s very good to be here today with the Bishop of Leicester in whose diocese we are, with the Bishop of Woolwich, with the other Bishops of Pontefract and Bradford, and with Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, who is Co-Chair of the Christian Muslim Forum.  I want to recognise the response of churches, mosques and other faith and civil society groups as well as those of brave individuals who have done so much to bring our communities together at this time. The strong response from the Muslim Council of Britain and many other organisations has rightly emphasised that these acts have no place in Islam.

 

The Bishops of Southwark and Woolwich have visited the area in which this dreadful crime took place and have prayed with the local community there. Bishop Michael Ipgrave has met with other faith leaders in the Woolwich community and encouraged clergy and other Christian leaders to make contact with other faith leaders to ensure that this awful incident does not cause division. I want to commend very strongly what they are doing locally and to encourage Christian leaders more widely to do the same. This is very much a time for communities to come together.

 

As Patron of the national Christian Muslim Forum I know that the Forum is offering support and encouragement for these meetings to happen and I continue to hold all those working in these efforts in my prayers.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K9SNp5MwPw

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This is yet another instance of the situation where religious fundamentalism can have such a devastating effect on present-day society. Yes, this may be a strictly Muslim instance here, but we Christians have to understand how any religious activism, which dis-affiliates the rights of other religious or secular community members, may be contrary to the will of God – and also contrary to good order and neighbourliness in the local and international environment. It just requires one person to arrogate to themselves the right to pronounce and act upon their own understanding of what ‘true righteousness’ demands of us and other people, and this sort of terrorism can disturb the peace and safety of all.

Kyrie eleison, Christe eleison, Kyreie eleison!

Father Ron Smith, Christchurch, New Zealand

 

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