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		<title>Comment on Mark Vernon Tells the story of &#8216;Honest to God&#8217; by Peter Carrell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Carrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 03:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recall hearing +John speak here in Chch at College House. An amazing communicator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall hearing +John speak here in Chch at College House. An amazing communicator.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resistance to Llandaff Woman Dean provokes Resignation by AncientBriton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AncientBriton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 06:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neither RC nor CinW, He is risen indeed! Alleluia!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither RC nor CinW, He is risen indeed! Alleluia!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resistance to Llandaff Woman Dean provokes Resignation by kiwianglo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 21:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Petros, 

Your sentece here quoted:- &quot;Many women are equally opposed to women clergy  in the church out of loyalty to the polity of the wider Holy Catholic Church  rather than small segments which have chosen to depart for reasons of their  own making.&quot; - does not invalidate the problem of Anglicans in the Church in  Wales being opposed to the polity of their own Church body. Note, we are not  speaking here of any other, supposedly &#039;more catholic&#039; body - like the Roman  Catholic Church - but the Anglican Church in Wales. 

Loyalty to what you see as &quot;the polity of the wider Holy Catholic Church&quot;  does not necessarily demand the loyalty of Anglicans - excepting those who  feel there should never have been a Reformation. Even Good Pope John XXIII -  whose reforming intention at Vatican II have been resiled from in the modern  R.C. Church - agreed with the need of &#039;Semper Reformanda&#039;. 

Incidentally, I do not recognise your R.C. tendencies on this matter to at  all match up to the protestant proclivities of the so-called &#039;Anglican  Mainstream&#039; clan. Many like myself consider that entity to be more of an  &quot;Anglican Slipstream&#039; - not really relevant. 

Christ is risn, Alleluia!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Petros, </p>
<p>Your sentece here quoted:- &#8220;Many women are equally opposed to women clergy  in the church out of loyalty to the polity of the wider Holy Catholic Church  rather than small segments which have chosen to depart for reasons of their  own making.&#8221; &#8211; does not invalidate the problem of Anglicans in the Church in  Wales being opposed to the polity of their own Church body. Note, we are not  speaking here of any other, supposedly &#8216;more catholic&#8217; body &#8211; like the Roman  Catholic Church &#8211; but the Anglican Church in Wales. </p>
<p>Loyalty to what you see as &#8220;the polity of the wider Holy Catholic Church&#8221;  does not necessarily demand the loyalty of Anglicans &#8211; excepting those who  feel there should never have been a Reformation. Even Good Pope John XXIII &#8211;  whose reforming intention at Vatican II have been resiled from in the modern  R.C. Church &#8211; agreed with the need of &#8216;Semper Reformanda&#8217;. </p>
<p>Incidentally, I do not recognise your R.C. tendencies on this matter to at  all match up to the protestant proclivities of the so-called &#8216;Anglican  Mainstream&#8217; clan. Many like myself consider that entity to be more of an  &#8220;Anglican Slipstream&#8217; &#8211; not really relevant. </p>
<p>Christ is risn, Alleluia!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resistance to Llandaff Woman Dean provokes Resignation by AncientBriton</title>
		<link>http://kiwianglo.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/resistance-to-llandaff-woman-dean-provokes-resignation/#comment-4342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AncientBriton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 10:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear kiwianglo,

What you quote is an unfortunate juxtaposition of two comments which has been misapplied by commentators best summed up by these two comments from Anglican Mainstream:
 
&quot;Actually we don&#039;t know ANYTHING about the reasons behind the resignation apart from some press speculation, so it&#039;s a little early to be casting aspersions! Janet is very well respected in Ripon &amp; Leeds and a great archdeacon. As a curate I benefitted enormously from her wisdom. Whatever the reason for her resignation it is very sad that Llandaff cathedral has lost someone of such profound spiritual depth &amp; great sense of humour.&quot;

&quot;Lindsay is right; the resignation is reported as fact; everything else is by &#039;sources at the cathedral&#039; or &#039;sources in the church&#039;- i.e. gossips at best, those with an axe to grind at worst. They&#039;re anonymous for a reason ...&quot;

You can read more informed comments on my blog here:
http://ancientbritonpetros.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/dean-of-llandaff-resigns-part-2.html#comment-form

You make an enormous jump from &quot;with some clergy resenting the appointment of a woman&quot; to  &quot;that does not prevent some male clergy resenting their ministry&quot;. If there were any truth in the accusation it could equally be applied to existing women clergy resenting the import of another woman rather than promoting one of their own. The truth is that we just don&#039;t know, hence the speculation.

Resentment is an unfortunate choice of word in this context because it has been used synonymously with opposition. Many women are equally opposed to women clergy in the church out of loyalty to the polity of the wider Holy Catholic Church rather than small segments which have chosen to depart for reasons of their own making.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear kiwianglo,</p>
<p>What you quote is an unfortunate juxtaposition of two comments which has been misapplied by commentators best summed up by these two comments from Anglican Mainstream:</p>
<p>&#8220;Actually we don&#8217;t know ANYTHING about the reasons behind the resignation apart from some press speculation, so it&#8217;s a little early to be casting aspersions! Janet is very well respected in Ripon &amp; Leeds and a great archdeacon. As a curate I benefitted enormously from her wisdom. Whatever the reason for her resignation it is very sad that Llandaff cathedral has lost someone of such profound spiritual depth &amp; great sense of humour.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Lindsay is right; the resignation is reported as fact; everything else is by &#8216;sources at the cathedral&#8217; or &#8216;sources in the church&#8217;- i.e. gossips at best, those with an axe to grind at worst. They&#8217;re anonymous for a reason &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You can read more informed comments on my blog here:<br />
<a href="http://ancientbritonpetros.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/dean-of-llandaff-resigns-part-2.html#comment-form" rel="nofollow">http://ancientbritonpetros.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/dean-of-llandaff-resigns-part-2.html#comment-form</a></p>
<p>You make an enormous jump from &#8220;with some clergy resenting the appointment of a woman&#8221; to  &#8220;that does not prevent some male clergy resenting their ministry&#8221;. If there were any truth in the accusation it could equally be applied to existing women clergy resenting the import of another woman rather than promoting one of their own. The truth is that we just don&#8217;t know, hence the speculation.</p>
<p>Resentment is an unfortunate choice of word in this context because it has been used synonymously with opposition. Many women are equally opposed to women clergy in the church out of loyalty to the polity of the wider Holy Catholic Church rather than small segments which have chosen to depart for reasons of their own making.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resistance to Llandaff Woman Dean provokes Resignation by kiwianglo</title>
		<link>http://kiwianglo.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/resistance-to-llandaff-woman-dean-provokes-resignation/#comment-4340</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 23:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Ancient Briton, I can only re-iterate what the report I have quoted actually said on this issue. Here is the relevant extract: from the report:

&quot;Church in Wales sources have told WalesOnline that Dean Henderson had had “a “difficult time” since her appointment, with some clergy resenting the appointment of a woman&quot;.

It could be noted that &quot;there are many women clergy in England&quot;, but that does not prevent some male clergy resenting their ministry. While some males still are opposed to women clergy in the Church, there is still a problem of disunity, and a lack of loyalty to the polity of the Church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ancient Briton, I can only re-iterate what the report I have quoted actually said on this issue. Here is the relevant extract: from the report:</p>
<p>&#8220;Church in Wales sources have told WalesOnline that Dean Henderson had had “a “difficult time” since her appointment, with some clergy resenting the appointment of a woman&#8221;.</p>
<p>It could be noted that &#8220;there are many women clergy in England&#8221;, but that does not prevent some male clergy resenting their ministry. While some males still are opposed to women clergy in the Church, there is still a problem of disunity, and a lack of loyalty to the polity of the Church.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resistance to Llandaff Woman Dean provokes Resignation by AncientBriton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AncientBriton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 20:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your report is at variance with the facts. The Church in Wales has denied that the Dean&#039;s resignation had anything to do with the Songs of Praise issue. You are correct in your assertion that &quot;Dr Morgan has championed the role of women clergy in the Church&quot;. This has been picked up by the liberal movement to promote their cause but again their claim is without foundation according to parishioners. There are many women clergy in Wales, including diocesan posts and the Cathedral Chapter if you care to check. The absence of a clear statement from the Church in Wales is being used to undermine the position of loyal members of the church when we should be striving for unity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your report is at variance with the facts. The Church in Wales has denied that the Dean&#8217;s resignation had anything to do with the Songs of Praise issue. You are correct in your assertion that &#8220;Dr Morgan has championed the role of women clergy in the Church&#8221;. This has been picked up by the liberal movement to promote their cause but again their claim is without foundation according to parishioners. There are many women clergy in Wales, including diocesan posts and the Cathedral Chapter if you care to check. The absence of a clear statement from the Church in Wales is being used to undermine the position of loyal members of the church when we should be striving for unity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Church of England&#8217;s Need of Modern Relevance by kiwianglo</title>
		<link>http://kiwianglo.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/the-church-of-englands-need-of-modern-relevance/#comment-4308</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kiwianglo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 00:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Rsie. I&#039;m thinking that this is the sort of Bishop the Church of  england needs more of - prophetic &amp; inclusive!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Rsie. I&#8217;m thinking that this is the sort of Bishop the Church of  england needs more of &#8211; prophetic &amp; inclusive!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Church of England&#8217;s Need of Modern Relevance by whatpiercesthesoul</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 19:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! No need to wonder where he gets his wit from. Inspirational.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! No need to wonder where he gets his wit from. Inspirational.</p>
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		<title>Comment on English Diocese of Manchester wants Gay-friendly Bishop by Gay / Gay Friendly Bishops for the Anglican Church? &#124; Queering the Church</title>
		<link>http://kiwianglo.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/english-diocese-of-manchester-wants-gay-friendly-bishop/#comment-4273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gay / Gay Friendly Bishops for the Anglican Church? &#124; Queering the Church]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Clergy: angels or enforcers? by Father Ron Smith</title>
		<link>http://kiwianglo.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/clergy-angels-or-enforcers/#comment-4260</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Father Ron Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good on you, Brian. I&#039;m not sure you&#039;ll get total backing from Pope Francis on this - once he&#039;s cleared the decks at the Vatican.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on you, Brian. I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;ll get total backing from Pope Francis on this &#8211; once he&#8217;s cleared the decks at the Vatican.</p>
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